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Some new enhancements are finding their way into Nautilus. The first is new tree functionality complete with auto-expand for dnd to the spatial Nautilus list view, much like what is seen here on a Mac. Nautilus now has the ability to create a new file when dragging and dropping text into a Nautilus window. The next enhancement is a patch that adds GTK2 Bookmarks like seen in the new GTK file chooser to Nautilus. Also this patch adds a new sidepanel plug-in for the Nautilus browser that mimics the GTK FileChooser. And finally this patch adds the pathbar as seen in the GTK2 file chooser to the Nautilus browser. Screenshot of the latter 2 features mentioned is here.

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Finally by Anonymous George

Wouldn't it be nice

I've noticed, increasingly that in some applications the GtkFilechooser will not show any remote locations I am connected to, when they are shown and open in nautilus. This is real pain for web development!

I suppose this would require a patch to GTK rather than nautilus but its still a usability thing.

The bookmarks list should be accessible in the exactly the same way in both.

The pathbar is pretty cool also but wouldn't it also be good if it were possible to switch (maybe with a panel hide button type slider) to an address bar so you can just type in the location in spacial mode.

On the whole I like nautilus, I like the way it ties the desktop together but I'd like to see a better tree, containing Computer, removable devices and browsable network locations.

I think the importance of having continuity accross all file browsing widgets and apps is very important to the general usability of the desktop. When one moment you're looking at a nautilus window and you see what you expect i.e. an ftp server, then you switch to your app and it isn't there in file chooser this is a real pain.

A subversion VFS plugin wouldn't go a miss either.

So ease the pain for web deve by Anonymous George

Re: Wouldn't it be nice

I've noticed, increasingly that in some applications the GtkFilechooser will not show any remote locations I am connected to, when they are shown and open in nautilus. This is real pain for web development!

I agree that this is a pain, but unfortunately not all apps use gnome-vfs for reading and writing files. Gnome-vfs has been around since GNOME 1.4, but it didn't become really useful until GNOME 2.6 when gnome-keyring was introduced, and the new gtk+ file chooser had support for remote file systems. Hopefully app-support for gnome-vfs will improve in the future.

How about Tabs ? by Anonymous George
use konqueror and keep gnome by Anonymous George
Why remeber view options? by Anonymous George

Remember view options

I agree, but only for the browser mode. The browser should not respect each folders spatial view or background settings.

I dunnow, you might still wan by Anonymous George
The best would be giving all by Anonymous George
Drop Stack? by Anonymous George
Shelf by Anonymous George

Hmm

I don't really have much to say about these before I get to try them out myself, but in theory they all seem useable. I just hate the GTK FileChooser 'cause it doesn't show any dotfiles or such, and I haven't yet learned any way to make it show them. =/
-WareKala

I just hate the GTK FileCho


I just hate the GTK FileChooser 'cause it doesn't show any dotfiles or such, and I haven't yet learned any way to make it show them.

Click with the right mouse button on the file list and choose "Show hidden files"

Right click on dirs and folde by Anonymous George

Title

In my opinion, Nautilus should display the entire path instead of the last dir at the windowmanager title (perhaps using ~ as an abreviation for the user home dir). This would improve the location of a given Nautilus window in the task bar or at the window list... I have sometimes same name at different locations, e.g.:
~/project1/src
~/projects/project2/src

Should hide Toolbar...

While I think this are all great patches, the two reproduced in the screenie make the toolbar have the same functionality as the filechooser like path browser and bookmarks. The Back, Home and Desktop buttons doesn't make more sense there.

I think the toolbar should be hided and the reload button maybe should be placed between the places and the path browser.

This would probably led to browser mode being very similar to spatial. Hit F9 and you would be in browser mode with places and path, hit it again and you would be in spatial again opening multiple windows.

Neverless excelent work ;)

Interesting by Anonymous George
Well, I didn't thought about by Anonymous George

It's to be expected

It's a new feature. NOTHING is perfect on the first revision. It takes years of use and suggestions to make a product usable and polished. I can definitley say that spatial nautilus really works for me, and that I can't stand having to use browser mode. When I'm working on a windows computer and using browser mode in explorer, I get actively annoyed. That's a sign of a good product...when you miss it when it's not available.

Recursive Chmod on Directories

Why do I still have to do a chmod -R by hand to change permissions on everything in a directory? This has been an open bug for literally years, something Windows and other decent DE's have had for years, and we're still expecting new users to work in the CLI for something this simple?

It has been open for years ye by Anonymous George

not so fast

Of course, the easier thing users do, is open Nautilus, select all the files with a lock (or only those they want to modify), go to properties, and change the write permission.

logic? by Anonymous George
That is not so easy by Anonymous George
Re: That is not so easy by Anonymous George

Who are YOU to say what someo

Who are YOU to say what someone does or doesn't need?

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"It is better for people to think you are a fool, then for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Newcomers don't???

Sorry, but what are you talking about? if I have a bunch of files which need recursive permission change, it doesn't matter if I am a newcomer, an oldcomer or the personal secretary of the Pope: they *have* to be changed, so that I can use the files, and that's it.

What you're really saying is "Newcomers are not allowed to do this because we haven't implemented a reasonable GUI to do that yet, go learn the CLI" which is an admission of failure before anything else.

Ciao

Re: That is not so easy

Should I understand Gnome is supposed to only be used by newcomers then?

Re: That is not so easy

Should I understand that Gnome is supposed to only be used by well-experienced users then?

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"It is better for people to think you are a fool, then for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

No

But do you want to exclude newcomers?

"Well, mom, to change anything from the backup cd I made you, you need to open a terminal, navigate to the current directory using the 'cd' command, and issue the command 'chmod -R 755 ' where is the name of the top-level directory containing all your files and sub-folders."

No. What is needed is a simple interface that won't scare the living christ out of non-technical users. People feel a lot more comfortable about clicking a check box than they do about issuing a chmod.

I'm pretty savvy around the computer. I've been using Gnome since 1.2 and use it to surf/email/im, develop apps, remote admin my server, and do pretty much every thing a technical user does during the course of their day. I have four computers, all of which run Gnome. So yes, I know how to issue a chmod -R. But does that imply that I WANT to? If I have the mouse in hand, and I see a folder with a lock on it, I want to change the permissions right there and then. Right-click, permissions, +write. Done. The alternative is to open up a terminal, navigate to /path/to/very/deeply/nested/dir/that/I/have/a/nasty/habit/of/doing, and then issue a chmod -R. This is a HASSLE. This is me switching to keyboard mode, figuring out where the hell I was sitting when I was looking in nautilus, issuing a cd to match that path (which is a pissoff in itself), and issuing another command. This is my computer getting in my way. Gnome is supposed to be all about making the computer more usable and letting me get my work done. That's why I love it and that's why I use it. It's clean, consistent, and does exactly what I want. That's why something like this recursive file permissions thing really jars me. When something doesn't work like I expect it to, it's a real pissoff.

I'd love to see this bug resolved. It's one of the most common complaints that people have about nautilus. I know I'd use it at least several times a week if it got implemented, and it would provide functionality that really should be inherently present in a file manager.

Seconded! by Anonymous George

Nice but...

I wish some other improvements were made [for the browser mode in list view]:

1. It is not possible to select more than one file with the mouse while in list view. The neat selection frame is only available with the icon view or on the desktop.

2. If the nautilus window is fairly small and the list of files is longer than the available space (when a scrollbar appears) there is no right mouse button action with "create folder" or "create file" because there is no empty space to click on. One allways clicks on a file and gets its right mouse button menue.

3. There is no drag and drop with the right mouse button. Only with the left mouse button and then the user has to memorize the key combo for copying or linking files. This is not user friendly particularly for new users. Instead drag and drop with the right mouse button should give the users a choice (copy, move, link, copy as root, move as root)

Stefan

Drag+Drop

Drag+Drop with the middle mouse button is probably what you're looking for

I would like to see patch like the one of diego

The diegos'a patch is in:
http://www.es.gnome.org/~diego/

Unfortunately, the latest changes in nautilus breaks the patch.

Would it be posible a patch like diego's in a near future?

Innovative!

Now that is a feature that would work well in Nautilus! It could also be extended to filter based on date, size, file type, etc (since the screenie shows a lot of negative space, aching to be filled). ;)

I hope the author ports his patch over to the new Nautilus when it comes out. ^_^

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"It is better for people to think you are a fool, then for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I don't understand ... by Anonymous George

Some of these enhancements ar

Some of these enhancements are for spatial Nautilus, and some are enchancements to Nautilus when in browser mode.

you mean konqueror rocks by Anonymous George
Trolls like you give a bad na by Anonymous George

Yup and

And what is he doing on a very much GNOME only site:-)

a nice little bug by Anonymous George

Nautilus pathbar

I really like the pathbar as in the screenshot!!
Will this be the new default pathbar in Nautilus?
Hope so!

I think the same. Maybe pathb

I think the same. Maybe pathbar is cool, but I don't find it really productive. I can move back by simply double/triple clicking 'up' or 'back' buttons, or even faster by using my mouse side buttons. Location bar is for totally different purpose, can be used faster and it doesn't require mouse.

I hope pathbar is an add-on, not a replacement.

My dream pathbar by Anonymous George

Agreed

That pathbar is pretty useless, though it doesn't bother me much. I don't usually use the normal location bar either, but atleast it lets me type in the path I want without having to learn any keycombos first. Though, I use backspace the most often ^^
-WareKala