AbiWord Development snapshot 2.3.4 released.

> While I understand why bugzilla has registration (bots and idiots
> never end)

No, we need to be able to contact the reporter. It is just that simple.

> I tend not to submit bugs too. It is more effort than it is worth.

You rather live with the bugs? That makes no sense. Anyway, if creating an account is already too much effort for you, well.. likely the bugreport will be useless anyway. It takes effort to create software.

> Perhaps we should all open bugs against bugzilla requesting secure
> anonymous filing of bugs.

This will only lead to more work for the QA team to duplicate all those bugs.

>> I tend not to submit bugs too. It is more effort than it is worth.
>
>You rather live with the bugs? That makes no sense. Anyway, if >creating an account is already too much effort for you, well.. likely >the bugreport will be useless anyway. It takes effort to create >software.
>

Argh, shoot the messenger. Projects I'm interested in I submit reports, write patches, make a contribution. Software I just use, if it is too hard to report the issue, then screw it. No big deal.

What makes no sense is to abandon a source of data because you thing everyone should be committed to your project. If a project doesn't have the resources to reproduce lots of bugs and QA too many data points, that's OK, use bugzilla as a form of demand control. There are other models to bugzilla.

None of this is a critique of abiword, just questioning the assertion that willingness to put up with bugzilla is a measure of a bug reports quality.

> Argh, shoot the messenger. Projects I'm interested in I submit
> reports, write patches, make a contribution. Software I just use, if
> it is too hard to report the issue, then screw it. No big deal.

Good to hear that, but... this is not what you said before: "I tend not to submit bugs too. It is more effort than it is worth."

Leaving the part above out changes your entire message.

> What makes no sense is to abandon a source of data because you thing
> everyone should be committed to your project. If a project doesn't
> have the resources to reproduce lots of bugs and QA too many data
> points, that's OK, use bugzilla as a form of demand control.

What do you mean with "source of data", "committed to your project" and "demand control"? I do not understand what you mean with above. Is this still about reporting bugs without a logon?

> There are other models to bugzilla.

There are other bugtrackers yes. They still require a logon. Or do you propose every developer keeping its private list of bugs to fix? Fine by me, but understand that developers request to be added to Bugzilla, there is no enforcement.

> None of this is a critique of abiword, just questioning the
> assertion that willingness to put up with bugzilla is a measure of a
> bug reports quality.

That is not what I said. If creating a logon is too much effort and prevents people from filing bugs, I think that the effort in writing a good bugreport will also be too much.

Anyway, I am interested in ways to make filing bugreports easier. But allowing bugreports to be submitted without a logon is not going to happen. Well.. to be honest they do can be submitted on b.g.o and 99% is closed. The 1% will still be reported by someone with an account.

Oh PS: I don't care about AbiWord. I'm a Bugzilla/bugzilla.gnome.org junkie.

If that's really such a problem for you i suggest to file all the bugs you find in your dirstribution's bug tracking system. While that might not be as effective as filling out the respective project's own bugsheets you still show good will (upstream reputation varies among distros, ubuntu e.g. is said to do particularly well).

As for encouraging other people to boycot our bugzilla, hmm, good luck with that. Fortunately there are many folks out there that can remember a lot of bugzilla passwords (hint: one can use the same password and email address for several bugzilla installations out there).

- Rob
AbiWord developer

I just can't understand why you fscking open-source developers can't just create an RMMM to replace Bugzilla. Then, all I'd have to do is sit back and think how much I hate you and your fscking software and the RMMM would instantly transmit my thoughts to you while you slept. You'd wake the next morning completely unrested with my hateful and unsatisfied thoughts in your head. This would surely spur you to new levels of creativity and productivity which would finally make youre fscking software useful for me!

Chains find only willing wrists...so if you're willing, vote Republican.

The infamous READ MY MIND MODULE of course!