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GNOME 2.12 Beta 1 Development Release

Gnome 2.x
Gnome 2.x

Also known as 2.11.90, GNOME 2.12 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended
for wide public scrutiny before the final release in September.

platform: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.11/2.11.90/NEWS
tar.gz: 21M total
tar.bz2: 14M total

desktop: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.11/2.11.90/NEWS
tar.gz: 171M total
tar.bz2: 122M total

bindings: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/bindings/2.11/2.11.90/NEWS
tar.gz: 51M total
tar.bz2: 36M total

For extra excitement this time, you'll need cairo from cvs, or the snapshot
available here:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/platform/2.11/2.11.90/
This is less than ideal, but at least it allows us to test GNOME tarballs
that require it. Cairo 0.6.0 is expected very soon.

TESTING! TESTING! TESTING!
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This release is a feature frozen snapshot primarily intended for wide public
scrutiny before the final GNOME 2.12 release in September. GNOME uses odd minor
version numbers to indicate development status. Please check the 2.11 page
for more info:

http://www.gnome.org/start/unstable/

Happy testing!

- The GNOME Release Team

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Menu Editor?

The new menu "editor" is absolutely appalling.

All it allows you to do is tick a box next to which application launchers you want in the menus. There's no ability to add new applications to the menu, edit the names of the menus, you can't edit the launchers in any way, shape, or form, adding new menu folders is another no-no and you can't move launchers from one menu to another. Pretty basic requirements for any menu editor I'd say.

If the gnome team do anything between now and the release then it should be to the menu "editor". It requires substantial feature improvements. Not including a menu editor in 2.10 was bad enough, but to only have something as ludicrously basic as this in 2.12 is a joke!

Apart from that I'm very pleased, things seem a lot nippier and the improvements to nautilus are fantastic.

editor? by Anonymous George
Indeed it is stupid. stupid by Anonymous George

nautilus - some thoughts

1. I have read that the new nautilus can copy music CDs, what does this mean?
1.1 Does it mean a 1:1 copy of a music CD? Than i think the better place would be the gnome cd-player, because he starts if i insert a music cd and than there should be a button to make a copy or even copy only some tracks.
1.2 Or does it mean to copy my mp3s and oggs from a directory directly to a music CD, than i think this is a good feature and nautilus is the right place.

2. Audio preview. As long as i use nautilus i have a preview for mp3 files but not for ogg files. Why nobody fix this? I think it's really a shame that a free desktop environment can preview proprietary audio formats but not free audio formats.

3. Go back to the nautilus-brun.
3.1 What i really miss is a indicator how much my files in the burn-window are using and how much space is left on the CD. How else can i find out if i can add one more file or not?
3.2 I'm missing that i can't set the size of my cd (e.g. 700MB or 800MB) or does nautilus recognize this by itself (i would know it if 3.1 would be implemented)?

What about FLAC? by Anonymous George

1. It means that you can

1. It means that you can copy CDs in general by right-clicking from the context menu of the CDROM icon. I can't say for sure because I don't have it installed, but that's what I gathered. I think that's the natural way to implement this function.

1.2 I don't think so, but did you try serpentine? It's surprisingly nice, basically just a container in which you drop files and a nice widget to show you how much space is left. One could argue that it could just as well be a special Nautilus view, but the difference is not huge.

>1. It means that you can

>1. It means that you can copy CDs in general by right-clicking from the context menu of the CDROM icon.

sounds ok, but you say "copy CDs in general by right-clicking" this works for data-CDs but audio-CD normally doesn't get mounted so how will you right-click a audio-cd?

>1.2 I don't think so, but did you try serpentine? It's surprisingly nice, basically just a container in which you drop files and a nice widget to show you how much space is left.

yes, it's really nice. Such a container generally for nautilus-burn would also solve my point 3.1.

well the device appears by Anonymous George
Right click's menu by Anonymous George
Yeah, uh... Places menu has by Anonymous George

Nautilus location bar

Funny thing, I was just looking at a review of the latest Microsofts Vista beta, and I noticed that they replaced the location bar in Explorer with a path bar. Now I see that the new version of Nautilus replaces the location bar with a path bar.

But I must say MS has one extra feature over Gnomes pathbar. Look at the following two screenshots to compare:

Gnome pathbar

MS pathbar

Comparing by Anonymous George
How is this a troll! The by Anonymous George
404 by Anonymous George
not again by Anonymous George
Slightly dodgy... by Anonymous George

For the record, the dropdown

For the record, the dropdown is not for the Pictures folder, it's for the Paul folder (notice the highlighted dropdown arrow beside Paul).
--
"It is better for people to think you are a fool, then for you to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I know, I know! by Anonymous George

Proof that Look and Feel makes a difference

Those 2 screenshots really make Gnome look like it's from the dark ages.

Sometimes it's best to look at Microsoft and learn from them and how they succeed. Clearly look and feel are *highly* important considerations for them, which means that they probably spent millions in research on what the consumers want and that's what they came up with. Welp...agree or not, they're winning by some considerable margins.

I think Linux should learn from them and make look and feel just as important as adding new features. I mean...just look at those 2 screenshots. You can't tell me that you'd rather work with the Gnome one.

I was just thinking the same by Anonymous George

Keep in mind that Clearlooks

Keep in mind that Clearlooks still does not use a single pixmap. With Gtk 2.8 we can now use Cairo drawing functions, which is a big advantage. Only performance will suffer, temporarily at least... Now we just need some really awesome artists to through the mockups at us. :) The difficult part isn't to design something fancy, the difficult part is to design something fancy that doesn't piss you off after using it for a long time.

uh by Anonymous George

windows is too much complicated

when i see these 2 shots, i really prefer the nautilus path bar than the windows one. Why ? Wimply because the windows file manager has too many options and possibiliies which makes it looking like a Super Midnight Commander which looks really awful. There is 3 or 4 ways to do the same thing, which is really useless. Sincerly, i prefer nautilus' sobriety.
Anyway, that's my point of view, and that is why i prefer gnome.

I posted the original comparison by Anonymous George
well by Anonymous George
...not usable??? ...Athlon 600??? by Anonymous George
Fine for me by Anonymous George
Exactly. The only case by Anonymous George
config problem ? by Anonymous George
not possible by Anonymous George
The gnome UI is better by Anonymous George
I actually believe nautilus by Anonymous George
No doubts. And I wouldn't by Anonymous George

Neat

As much as I *hate* Microsoft and anything to do with windozer, I think Vista looks quite neat with all its eye-candy, which I don't get on my Linux machine =( And the way they put up the location bar is actually quite handy. The location bar as it is has always been worse than the actual text entry, but such an approach as Microsoft came up with would make things better.
-WereCat

Uhhhh by Anonymous George
Oh by Anonymous George
Gnome's done it with the by Anonymous George

Well, if it makes you feel

Well, if it makes you feel any better, that's eye-candy of two years from now. (They say late 2006, I'm sure it'll be 2007 before its out). That eye candy requires a top-of-the-line PC by today's standards, 512MB of RAM, etc. The reason they've got it out now is because its both unopimized, and unstable (I'm guessing).

Not much consolodation, but its something ;-)

Yeah by Anonymous George
and Thunar copied the file by Anonymous George
Cross polination by Anonymous George
shame? by Anonymous George
and where did the by Anonymous George

Err no, actually the idea

Err no, actually the idea came from Eugenia and she got the idea from the Pathfinder application for the Mac. There is absolutely nothing wrong with copying good ideas.

err yes by Anonymous George

That could well be the root

That could well be the root of a similar feature, but it's not where the file-selector got it from. :P The point is that almost everything is copied from somewhere or just has been done before, it's totally unnecessary to constantly point that out.

Michele by Anonymous George

Well done, nice work

Kudos people. Nice work and ignore all the jerks on line that are bitching, they just have small brains.

I for one appreciate all the effort.