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Review: GNOME 2.14

Submitted by stro on Fri, 2006-03-17 09:35. GNOME

The GNOME desktop has come a long way since a study sponsored by Sun Microsystems in 2001 raised usability issues. Since then, GNOME has learned to take usability seriously, developing its Human Interface Guidelines and making strong efforts to apply them more thoroughly with each release. The GNOME 2.14 release continues this tradition. Although few major innovations are visible to the user, the release includes another round of improvements in usability and the continued development of the desktop administration tools, as well as numerous small improvements in productivity software.

Read the review @ Linux.com

Is this review really about 2.14?

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 14:07.

There are some parts in this review that aren't specific to 2.14.

Some of the interface changes in the new version, such as the addition of icons to dialog windows
I din't notice any more icons in dialogs. Icons have been in dialogs since I used gnome. Nothing new there.

specifically, a faster redraw of windows when they are resized, moved, or minimized. On faster machines, this redraw all but eliminates the ghostly outlines that have haunted moving windows in Metacity until now
I am not aware of any big optimization work in metacity. Resizing, moving etc. is not any faster. At least no so much that you would see any real difference.
Maybe he turned on reduced resources and now those ghostly outlines aka metacity's awkward minimization animations are gone. :)

Holger

Ignore user

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 12:16.

Can we please get some "ignore user"-functionality on here?

Some troll is taking the fun out of coming to this place, with her continous off-topic paranoid fantasies and bastant, outrageous claims which are never backed up.

Hehe...

Submitted by joshg on Sun, 2006-03-19 14:42.

Really? A troll? Here? What troll?

Just playing -- I second this motion. I for one would love to be able to not be presented with TopDown's threads.

Actually, to hell with it. I'm just not going to read the comments here ever again. *shrug*

Here's an interesting claim by TopDown

Moule by Anonymous George

eehhh... so are you saying

Submitted by guzerat on Sat, 2006-03-18 06:12.

eehhh... so are you saying gnome developers should put down extensive time optimizing for selinux? quit trolling.

Eh? I'm saying that someone by TopDown

So... are you criticising

Submitted by guzerat on Sat, 2006-03-18 07:28.

So... are you criticising gnome, selinux or rh/fedora for this? If it's selinux or rh/fedora, why are you posting it here? Coupled with your other post it can't be interpreted as anything but trolling.

yes by Anonymous George

hi td by guzerat

Linux.com reviews FC5 and by TopDown

Since then, GNOME has by TopDown

ITYM, companies have taken

Submitted by Anonymous George on Mon, 2006-03-20 07:48.

ITYM, companies have taken it over completely

No they haven't. I even have some gnome pieces from debian.
Man, you're one bad troll.

There's DRM in the media libraries

I have gstreamer and there is no DRM in any of it that I installed. Will you trolls will bug us with this nonsense for long ?

the barking of Red Hat, Sun and Novell watchdogs have driven off anyone remotely interested in innovation...

He says the year we have sketches of Xgl ... Try at least to make sense please.

and it took 4-5 years before anyone bothered to optimize some of the basic libraries

Even your premises are wrong. It actually took them more or less 1-2 months to optimize some portions of the libraries, plus some months of refining and testing, not 4-5 years like you claim.

Yeah... GNOME is really doing well

Indeed : right on the 6 months schedule !

DRM? by Anonymous George

Umm, I can't see any by TopDown

[snip blather and exuses

Submitted by Anonymous George on Mon, 2006-03-20 07:58.

[snip blather and exuses about why it took 5 years to do some very basic optimizing]
Yeah... quite. Fanboy. People have been talking about what a suckfest Pango performance is for *years*

And yet nobody could put the finger on the right fix for these "basic" optimisations ?
These "basic" optimisations like you call them, where possible because some people in the big corporations you despise were paid full day to do the analysis necessary to spot the problems. Yes, guess what, they actually had to make analysis before doing the optimisations you find basic !!!
They must be big morons compared to you, it's a shame you never proposed the fix they applied, it would have spared all these moron gnome devs some useless work.
FYI, lots of optimisations also took place in fontconfig, which is a big boost with the latest dev release when you have lots of fonts.

and all Owen Taylor would do is brush it off and deflect criticism with excuses. Maybe if they'd got someone to design GTK 2.0 better in the first place there would be even fewer performance problems

No, there would not. I start to think you're actually a very bad coder, or not a coder at all, but you sure have a big mouth.
Design have nothing to do with most of the optimisations, lots of them are implementation issues.
While you design, we have a faster Gnome (and the optimisations are going on). I think I'll stay with the Gnome devs.
At least, they work while you disparage them.

GTK+ 2 is ill-designed? Do better!

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 08:13.

> Maybe if they'd got someone to design GTK 2.0 better in the first place there would be even fewer performance problems.

You're the man! Step up and design GTK+ 3.0!!! I will fanboy you! :)

Player Hater

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sat, 2006-03-18 15:37.

TopDown, don't hate. :-D

Seriously though, why are you here? You're always decrying GNOME as being too corporate and this devious plot by Fluendo to subvert GStreamer, and nobody ever agrees with you. Why do you come here if it's just going to piss you off?

Seriously though, why are by TopDown

TopDown by Anonymous George

Feels Like Slashdot round here by Anonymous George

you are getting on my nerves

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 11:12.

Your postings are composed of fluffy statements and hollow accusations you don't proof. If you have something to debunk, do it NOW AND HERE and name the involved persons, or shut the fsck up :).

You also didn't come up with concrete GTK+ 2.0 design criticism and instead just claimed that it sucks. This is so...awful.

are you sure you know what you're talking about ? by Anonymous George

Oh... wouldn't we all like by TopDown

So, TopDown by Anonymous George

what a troll by Anonymous George

staggering

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 20:07.

"the rank incompetence displayed in the Gstreamer 0.8 -> 0.10 GNOME fiasco is staggering."

Nah. The thing that's staggering is that some people still think it's better to post nebulous rants on a random forum than to engage the community they are criticising.

Cheers
Stor

are you sure you know what you're talking about, again ?

Submitted by Anonymous George on Sun, 2006-03-19 07:05.

First of all, GStreamer is free software. Anyone can read the source code *right now* and so can you. Point us to the lines of code that implement DRM. You claim it is there, I claim it's not. The burden of proof is on you - if you can't point us to the source, then stop making silly claims.

Second, have you ever asked Fluendo ? It's dead easy to get answers from Fluendo. You have never asked Fluendo a question, all you do is put up baseless rants that do not contain a question. Name a single GNOME developer that Schaller doesn't want to talk to about it.

Third, Schaller dreams more about birds and bees than whatever you claim he dreams about :) Why do you live in a fantasy world where you make shit up? You provide *no base at all* for *any* of your claims.

And fourth, you seem to be the only one to think there's been "ank incompetence displayed in the Gstreamer 0.8 -> 0.10 GNOME fiasco". Given the way you're unable to argue even a single point of what you're claiming, that can only mean that Fluendo handled the transition very well. And the developers and users out there seem to agree.

Seriously, provide us with some simple facts and some ground for your fantasy claims, because you're still just a troll if you keep this up.